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Bring back stock class!

Many of us do not want to race with the pro/really good racers, and it isn't fair to them either. It really isn't much fun racing when you hopelessly out classed.Their has always been a stock and mod class and it worked very well, now we have just spec class and it is dieing. It was tried in onroad and the 13.5 class was very popular. I know there are others that feel this way but won't say anything, instead they just go away.......and that is not a good thing..

The 13.5 class was great until the advancing speedos made it a mod class. A 10.5 rubber class would have been a great class for those that were tired of the required maintenance of running foam but still wanted to go super fast. I personally wanted to slow down and work on being consistent and that's why I switched to 13.5, but it was no fun being run over by cars that were stupid fast with their advancing speedos. That class was ruined, and I know of other racers that feel the same way I do. There, finally said it!

All my on-road stuff is for sale.

Getting smoked by an advancing speedo SUCKED. It was funny trying to outdrive someone to the straight only to get walked...LOL

Oh well, I guess the option is to fight fire with fire or have a true 13.5 class. 10.5 is so STUPID fast, it's hardly a spec class.

The other option is to run the motor you want to run and work on being consistent. Any additional division just waters down the classes.

The root cause of poor turn out or dissatisfied members would be a good start.

And removal of the 10-pack.

LOL

Continuing to lump everyone into one class will disolve the class faster than any watering down by creating a class for racers that gives them somewhere to go between novice and racing against sponsered drivers. The stock class will be popular over time if given the chance. It may not have a big following for "big" races but is ideal for club races..stock class has always been a class that allowed for the progression of a driver and is needed today..
I'll shut up now..
Asa

We are doing our best to preserve stock speeds (17.5 brushless or kit motor) in the CORR2 class.

Two years ago, combining the stock and mod classes into a single 10.5 spec class really helped the electric classes. Since then, the 10.5 motors have gotten hotter, the batteries have improved, the esc's advance the timing, and they can be geared to the moon. I agree that the class has become too fast for the taste of many drivers.

CORR2 is an option for drivers that want a cost-controlled, speed-controlled class. I'll speak to the other officers about making stock (13.5? 17.5?) an option in a second class if we see enough growth and interest to warrant it.

+100! I too did feel that way about the TC class. I got rear ended in 13.5 by an expert racer with an advanced speedo.. Then he actually yelled at me for him not being a good enough racer to actually go around me and not through me. I only raced onroad for a month before that, so of course I had alot to learn to become fast. But that's what practice is for.


And this is what I have been saying in the short course thread. When Paris graduates from novice with her Jconcepts powered T4 , I will have to buy her a short course truck. Since I don't want her to have to run with people and their stupid fast 10.5's.
Although I was very happy and grateful for the racers in the spec truck class this weekend. Paris was in everyones way and took out people and maybe even changed the possible outcome of the race. But everyone she took out was classy.. thanks

And not to change the subject to much, but I personally used to have a great time 10 or so years ago when we had stock classes and regular heat races. The ifmar starts are boring, my self and couple other people are planning on starting at the same time for all the qualifiers in the next club race. Who ever wants to start by themselves can still go before or after the group, but I just want to battle and have fun!

The heads up starts in 2005 were FUN! I prefer to run that way and never felt like ifmar starts were very fun.
Battling can screw up qual times...but club racing is about friendly battles on the track.

Just my $.02

Al's avatar says it all change it back...classes and starts..

lol..

Not quite...

I have said that from day 1. Stock (17.5 or 13.5) is much better for trucks and buggies/for the majority of drivers. It cuts costs absolutley! Especially on our track/tires...unless people want to spend their money on the latest and greatest speedo's etc.

13.5 these days is far from slow. 13.5 rubber was fun and yes it was ruined.

Asa,

You could always just run the slower motor...that is what I normally do/when I ran the T4. It isnt slow..and you wont break. We lose more cars through attrition at our track...slower can be faster (confusious stuff there people).

If all are lumped together than fast folks obviously have to negotiate around (Not through) the slower folks...as their skill level may not allow them to pull over/or even see you comming. That is on the fast folks...

I recommend run your 13.5...people will catch on. Next time I run the T4 come over and look...it'll have a 13.5 in it/I don't even own a 10.5. Heck, Jordan runs a 21.5 SOMETIMES a 17.5.

I think ROAR will be eventualy making a point about this. Rumors have been going around that they will have an esc list. I ran a 13.5 in my truck and buggy this weekend and it was plently! (pero) The reason why we had to combine the classes was because it did not seem to be logical to have 4 classes of cars with only 3 cars in each of them vs two classes with 6 cars in each. I think it is much more fun to have 6 cars vs. 3 cars. To me it just makes for better racing.

only $0.02 whole cents haha

Paul you're missing the point, I know how to make the car go slower! To me stock class is more about skill levels and racing with racers with skills closer to mine, not the size of the motor. I don't want to be an obstacle for the fast guys so they can practice their passing skills..

You guys crack me up.

You yell about a 17.5 slash class because it will be to slow but you want to run a slower stock class. 13.5 is not any slower then 10.5 so that leaves 17.5 I can tell you if I proposed that you would scream.

As far as the carpet track goes at the start of the season I asked the club if they wanted to run a stock and mod class and everyone said keep them together and I said exactly, "We will do what you want but I can tell you right now if we run stock I will be the first and not the last to use a new speedo and the motor game will come into effect." Still that’s what you wanted so that’s what we ran. Also to that point I did win regionals with a GTB and silver can 10.5 motor against timing advance X12 10.5s so motor doesn’t win a race.

Here is the truth if you want to win don’t blame it on the motor you are running or the motors others are running. I have had a 17.5 12th scale lap me when I was running 10.5. AND I have beaten modified 4 wheels with a stock 2 wheel. RC racing is about the driver always has and always will be so again motors don’t win a race.

If you want to "fix" car count "fix" the people not the classes. Adding more classes will not work what it will do is extend the race night so much that we will have to run the races even faster then we already do to get done at a reasonable time. And if we don’t get out at a reasonable then you will REALLY see car count be destroyed.

Here is the honest truth there is no rhyme or reason why classes die just like there is no rhyme or reason they work. There are plenty of options for all racers of all levels.

I will be happy to let anyone try anything they want but they better be committed. I know there are at least two positions on the board that would love to see someone come in and try and get that job done. I am not saying that those spots are hard and not saying those people are super heroes but when no one else wants to do them and everyone wants to tell them what they do wrong well... enough said...

If you want to split up skill I am for that but then we need a more significant novice class or intermediate class for any type of car or motor. I would be willing to try a novice class for people under X laps per 6 minutes and then an intermediate class for people under Y laps in 6 minutes and then everyone else. But I dont think that will work out well becuase you need to race people who are somewhat better than you or else you will never get better.

I really liked putting my passing skills to the test.......Red car..beat it blue car coming through, Have to know when to slide, counter steer, grab throttle , and punt ya for being in the way. LOL.

If some others would hurry up and age we could have a 75 in over class you could race in. J/k



Couldn't help myself, waiting...............for you smart ass response.

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you have a birth certificate?

Well it was worth the wait....... LMAO. Yes im legal and have a birth certificate that has not been doctored.

just my 2 cents but i dont think the 10.5 are "stupid fast" when i up-greaded form 19turn spec to 10.5 i didnt notice a speed differents but i did notice a torque differents. but when we ran 19 spec no one complaind. like i sad just my 2 cents.

I would rather and should be racing stock... a 10.5 motor is just to much for me, but I really hate to have to spend money to go slower...which would actually be faster for me more than likely.

As has been said before though do we want two classes with five cars or one class with ten cars...I personally like to see larger class turnouts vs more classes.

Ayrton's 13.5 is dirty though(sxx stock spec) I TQ'd spec truck with a linear speedo and a 13.5, honestly with the current track layout you cant use much more than a 13.5.

How about an intermediate spec class or "B" spec class to allow racers to run their 10.5's and not have to buy a 13.5 or 17.5 motor?. Just like always their must be 3 or more to make a class, maybe run buggies and trucks together, making it a driving skill class much like novice.

If people run what they want (slower or equal to a 10.5) the b class would be in the b main. Bigger classes make for more fun in my opinion. Faster drivers work through and slower drivers learn to run with faster drivers.

Jacob are u feeling well? Maybe there is hope for u lol.